Pants-of-dog wrote:The only thing that Trump did early was institute a travel ban from China. Since that date, undocumented migrants from China continue to arrive.
Trump is a long way from perfect in stopping illegal immigration, but he's the only politician with a major following that takes the issue seriously. I haven't seen it demonstrated, however, that illegal immigrants from China are spreading the infection. Perhaps that may be established at some point. I'll take a wait-and-see approach.
Godstud wrote:Just because they are using some anti-malarial drugs to fight the disease does not mean people should start stocking up on these things when the information regarding treatment is anecdotal, and not clinical.
It's not purely anecdotal. They do seem to have a solid theory on why people develop SARS. An overactive immune response seems to be at the root of a lot of the deaths. That's why hydroxychloroquine is used for other types of auto-immune responses like rheumatoid arthritis. So a reasonable emergency protocol would be to at least test someone for coronavirus first if time is permitting before administering an off-label dose, because a drug that affects the immune system could inadvertently make it worse for other diseases even though it does the job for coronavirus.
Godstud wrote:If Trump handles things even slightly OK, it will help him immensely in Nov.
I agree. I think the Cuomo thing is a bit of a bubble in New York. The non-Republican who comes out of this looking good in my opinion is "hair boy", Gavin Newsom.
Cuomo Is a Coronavirus Star, but Newsom Is Quietly Bending the CurveNewsom is kind of a knuckle-head (dyslexic), but he nailed it with his Coronavirus response in terms of early actions on shelter-at-home. Like Trump, he may have looked to be overreacting initially, but compared to the dilly dallying in New York, California has handled it surprisingly well.
Finfinder wrote:Wait where is John Bolton?
He's hiding from @late.
late wrote:PBS did a big show on Vietnam recently, you should watch it.
PBS has done a lot of documentaries on Vietnam. Are you talking about the Ken Burns one?
jimjam wrote:Epidemiologists trying to get a handle on the coronavirus threat appear to have been caught off guard by the immediate politicization of their work, the claims that they were perpetrating a hoax designed to hurt Trump, or promote socialism, or something. But they should have expected that reaction, since climate scientists have faced the same accusations for years. And while climate-change denial is a worldwide phenomenon, its epicenter is clearly here in America: Republicans are the world’s only major climate-denialist party.
People should generally be skeptical of government claims. In his farewell address, Eisenhower specifically warned about a scientific-technological elite who would try to make policy over the will of the people. There are people rightly wondering if shutting down the global economy is an appropriate response--meaning it severely adversely affects far more people than coronavirus.
jimjam wrote:What lies behind Republican science denial?
A scientific-technological elite that tries to make policy over the will of the American people. It's much like scientists can get on a witness stand as experts witnesses for tobacco companies and testify that there is no proof that cigarettes cause cancer. Scientists will do anything for money just like senators or prostitutes. Yet, for some reason, prostitutes are the only ones who get a really bad wrap.
jimjam wrote:Christian leaders like Jerry Falwell Jr., who dismissed the coronavirus as a plot against Trump, then reopened his university despite health officials’ warnings, and seems to have created his own personal viral hot spot.
Yes. That's an excellent example of idiocy. Would you at least admit that New York City's Dr. Oxiris Barbot is an even less excusable idiot? We can reasonably agree that Jerry Falwell, Jr. has little to no scientific training.
Three days before Trump's travel ban on China we got this from New York's health commissioner.
Coronavirus No Match For NYC, Health Commissioner SaysNEW YORK CITY — None of the nine New York cases tested for coronavirus originated in New York City, but Health Commissioner Dr. Oxiris Barbot hopes the deadly virus will appear in the city "sooner rather than later."
"Having that person diagnosed can help New Yorkers breath a sigh of relief," said Barbot said at a press conference Tuesday afternoon. "The unknown is what drives people's fears."
Idiot. Major idiot. Dying is not a problem, but fear of dying is a problem?
Barbot took the opportunity to dispel what she called "misinformation" circulating on social media: that Chinatown should be avoided and that there was scientific evidence proving the virus could be contracted from a person not exhibiting symptoms.
"There is no reason to avoid subways or restaurants or to change your daily routine," Barbot said.
See? This is why Democrats aren't trusted. She still has a job for no other reason than that she is a woman. Cuomo is every bit the fuck up she is, and he gets lionized. Gavin Newsom got it right by acting early, and since we don't have enough cases to warrant daily press conferences everyone wants to watch, even the competent response of an otherwise dipshit Democrat goes unpraised (probably because he's a non-ethnic white man).
By the way, "There is no reason..." is a phrase that always catches my attention, wherein I immediately assume I'm being lied to.
Only New Yorkers with flu-like symptoms who have traveled within the past two weeks to the Wuhan area of China, where coronavirus first began its spread earlier this month, should contact their doctors, Barbot said.
Yeah, because being exposed to someone who has been to Wuhan is no big deal, since there is no statistical evidence that it can be spread from human to human. It's just all happening magically.
late wrote:I am drawing an analogy about killing Americans. This will kill more Americans than the Vietnam conflict.
The flu has already killed more Americans than the Vietnam conflict this season.
late wrote:The one time I saw that personally, the person doing it was Republican.
Let me guess: Ronald Reagan!
late wrote:2) Are dragging up that old racist meme from a couple decades ago, the Bell Curve?
The Bell Curve was about the problem of eliminating skills training in high schools and assuming everyone was cut out for college. It had nothing to do with racist memes. Maybe you should read the book instead of reading pointless reviews in newspapers by people who haven't read the book.
late wrote:Truman, Ike, LBJ, and Nixon were not liberals.
Just because LBJ would whip out his cock in the oval office doesn't mean he wasn't a liberal. He did pass the Great Society and Medicare after all.
Julian658 wrote:All I said is that the left does not believe in the idea that some people are way smarter than others.
Sure they do. Their IQ test is whether or not you are a member of the Democratic party. That's why that stupid bitch Barbot is the NYC health commissioner to this day.
Politics_Observer wrote:Bush is a good man but he did under-estimate what war really was and the costs of war initially in his Presidency. I also believe he was focused on Iraq rather than where it needed to be in Afghanistan to kill or capture Bin Laden and other Al-queda members as well as ensure that Afghanistan doesn't become a safe haven for terrorists again. He took his eye off he ball by adventuring off into left field somewhere in Iraq for god only knows why.
The military judges leaders by their capabilities and their past. Iraq had a WMD program and had invaded Kuwait and Saudi Arabia (see the Battle of Khafji). The Saudis wanted US forces out of Saudi Arabia. The US didn't want to leave without dealing with Hussein first. However, they never came clean with why they went to war in Iraq. One of the big fallouts of that action is that nobody trusts the establishment now. Hence, Trump.
SpecialOlympian wrote:What we did in Vietnam was monstrous and it is amazing that we have friendly relations with them now and can visit their country without being pelted with rocks.
That's because life under Americans is way better than under the French or the communists.
SpecialOlympian wrote:We literally sent our dumbest Liberty University graduates to run Iraq post-invasion and here is what they did:
-De-Ba'athification, which ensured nobody who knew how to do anything was appointed to any meaningful position. You literally had to join the Ba'ath party to even teach grade school.
That was L. Paul Bremer. He was educated at Philips Andover Academy where George H.W. Bush went to school. Bremer went to Yale for his BA, and Harvard for his MBA. I'm not saying this to defend Liberty University. I'm trying to underscore why I do not hold the establishment in high regard, nor their disdain for places like Liberty University when they have such a deplorable track record. For the record, banning the Ba'ath Party was Coalition Provisional Autority Order #1--L. Paul Bremer's first official action. Trying to lay this at the feet of Libery University graduates is libelous.
SpecialOlypian wrote:The only way to address this is not through mindless praise of the military, but by deep introspection into why we send young men to kill and die for no reason and how we can prevent that from ever happening again.
It's done for a reason. It's a reason you don't understand, and if you did understand it you would not agree with it. So it is materially obfuscated to make your opinions hysterical and irrelevant to others.
SpecialOlypian wrote:I would also like to note that no matter what @annatar1914 has said about the protestors who called his uncle a babykiller, Annatar has never positively asserted that his uncle never killed a baby.
The irony of the political left is that they decided to raise baby killing to a fundamental human right by bribing Supreme Court justices in Roe v. Wade to violate their own rules or review spelled out under Ashwander v. TVA, not unlike their recent bribery of Justice Kennedy et. al. re Obergefell.
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